{"id":63063,"date":"2025-11-15T06:28:49","date_gmt":"2025-11-15T06:28:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/?p=63063"},"modified":"2025-11-15T10:56:22","modified_gmt":"2025-11-15T10:56:22","slug":"asx-improves-to-mild-bull-market","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/2025\/11\/15\/asx-improves-to-mild-bull-market\/","title":{"rendered":"ASX Improves to Mild Bull Market"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fleximage\">\n<div class=\"flexhalf flexhalf_always\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-11-14-asx-bull-bear-gauge.png?resize=525%2C297&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Bull-Bear Market Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"297\" \/><\/div>\n<div class=\"flexhalf flexhalf_always\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-11-14-asx-stock-value-gauge.png?resize=525%2C297&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Stock Market Pricing Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"297\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>The gauge on the left indicates whether the market is in a bull or bear phase, while the one on the right reflects the current valuation of the stock market. Stock market pricing indicates whether stocks are cheap or expensive in relation to earnings, but it is a <strong>poor indicator of market timing<\/strong>. We do not recommend selling stocks because market valuation is high, but advise caution when adding new positions.<\/p>\n<h2>Bull\/Bear Market<\/h2>\n<p>The ASX Bull-Bear Market indicator improved to 66%, from 56% over the last four weeks. Three of four indicators from Australia and two for China now indicate a risk-on stance, with a combined 60% weighting, while the US Bull\/Bear indicator, with a 40% weighting, is 60% risk-off.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-11-14-asx-bull-bear.png?resize=525%2C218&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"ASX Bull-Bear Market Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"218\" \/><\/p>\n<p>NAB forward orders jumped to +3 in October, raising the 3-month moving average above the zero signal line to signal risk-on.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-11-14-aus-forwardorders.png?resize=525%2C338&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"NAB Forward Orders\" width=\"525\" height=\"338\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The improvement in forward orders was led by a jump in the mining sector.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-11-14-aus-forwardorders-sectors.png?resize=525%2C358&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"NAB Forward Orders - by Industry\" width=\"525\" height=\"358\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Stock Pricing<\/h2>\n<p>ASX stock pricing declined to 84.01 percent, from a high of 92.23 percent in August, compared to a low of 67.85 percent in April.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-11-14-asx-stock-value.png?resize=525%2C255&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"ASX Stock Market Value Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"255\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"background: #eef; padding: 0.25em;\">We use z-scores to measure each indicator&#8217;s current position relative to its history, with the result expressed in standard deviations from the mean. We then calculate an average of the five readings and convert that to a percentile. The higher that stock market pricing is relative to its historical mean, the greater the risk of a sharp drawdown.<\/p>\n<p>ASX market capitalization increased to 1.2 times GDP, the highest since 2021.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-11-14-asx-mktcap-gdp.png?resize=525%2C338&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"ASX Market Cap\/GDP\" width=\"525\" height=\"338\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Earlier peaks are attributable to the resources sector, with ASX market cap almost doubling during the boom from 2004 to 2007. Both earlier peaks were followed by a steep rise in iron ore prices (marked in red below).<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-11-14-ironore.png?resize=525%2C338&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Iron Ore Booms\" width=\"525\" height=\"338\" \/><\/p>\n<p>But this time is different. Iron ore prices are falling.<\/p>\n<h2>Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p>The ASX bull-bear indicator has improved to a mild bull market, but valuation is falling after reaching a new extreme, and the risk of a significant drawdown is high.<\/p>\n<h4>Acknowledgments<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>NAB: <a href=\"https:\/\/news.nab.com.au\/content\/dam\/nab-news\/documents\/nab-monthly-business-survey-oct-2025.pdf\">Monthly Business Survey<\/a><\/li>\n<li>ABS: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.abs.gov.au\/statistics\/industry\/building-and-construction\/building-approvals-australia\/latest-release\">Private Dwelling Approvals<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Trading Economics: <a href=\"https:\/\/tradingeconomics.com\/china\/business-confidence\">China Business Indicators<\/a><\/li>\n<li>OECD: <a href=\"https:\/\/data-explorer.oecd.org\/vis?lc=en&amp;pg=0&amp;snb=1&amp;vw=tl&amp;df[ds]=dsDisseminateFinalDMZ&amp;df[id]=DSD_STES%40DF_CLI&amp;df[ag]=OECD.SDD.STES&amp;df[vs]=&amp;dq=CHN.M.LI...AA.IX..&amp;to[TIME_PERIOD]=false&amp;lom=LASTNPERIODS&amp;lo=300\">Composite Leading Indicators<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Morningstar: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.morningstar.com.au\/investments\/security\/index\/xao\/portfolio\">ASX 20 Statistics<\/a><\/li>\n<li>S&amp;P Global Indices: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.spglobal.com\/spdji\/en\/indices\/equity\/all-ordinaries\/#overview\">All Ordinaries Statistics<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Market Index: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marketindex.com.au\/statistics\">ASX Statistics<\/a><\/li>\n<li>ABS: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.abs.gov.au\/statistics\/economy\/national-accounts\/australian-national-accounts-national-income-expenditure-and-product\/latest-release\">National Accounts<\/a><\/li>\n<li>ASX: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.asx.com.au\/about\/market-statistics\/historical-market-statistics\">Historical Market Statistics<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The gauge on the left indicates whether the market is in a bull or bear phase, while the one on the right reflects the current valuation of the stock market. Stock market pricing indicates whether stocks are cheap or expensive in relation to earnings, but it is a poor indicator of market timing. We do &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/2025\/11\/15\/asx-improves-to-mild-bull-market\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;ASX Improves to Mild Bull Market&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mo_disable_npp":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[40],"tags":[6797,6800,6798,7059,6536],"class_list":["post-63063","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-australia-nz-countries-regions","tag-asx-bull-bear-market-indicator","tag-asx-market-cap-gdp","tag-asx-stock-market-value-indicator","tag-iron-ore-boom","tag-nab-forward-orders"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>ASX Improves to Mild Bull Market - the patient investor<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, follow\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"ASX Improves to Mild Bull Market - the patient investor\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"The gauge on the left indicates whether the market is in a bull or bear phase, while the one on the right reflects the current valuation of the stock market. 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