{"id":62604,"date":"2025-10-11T08:21:25","date_gmt":"2025-10-11T08:21:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/?p=62604"},"modified":"2025-10-11T22:48:04","modified_gmt":"2025-10-11T22:48:04","slug":"us-stock-pricing-remains-elevated","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/2025\/10\/11\/us-stock-pricing-remains-elevated\/","title":{"rendered":"US Stock Pricing Remains Elevated"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fleximage\">\n<div class=\"flexhalf flexhalf_always\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-08-06-us-bull-bear-gauge.png?resize=525%2C297&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Bull\/Bear Market Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"297\" \/><\/div>\n<div class=\"flexhalf flexhalf_always\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-10-10-us-stock-value-gauge.png?resize=525%2C297&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Stock Market Pricing Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"297\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>The gauge on the left indicates bull or bear market status, and the one on the right reflects stock market valuation levels. Stock market pricing indicates whether stocks are cheap or expensive relative to earnings, but it is a <strong>poor indicator of market timing<\/strong>. We do not recommend selling stocks because the market valuation is high. Still, we would advise investors to be circumspect about adding new positions without carefully investigating the underlying value.<\/p>\n<h2>Bull\/Bear Market<\/h2>\n<p>The Bull\/Bear indicator remains at 40%, warning of a bear market ahead.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-10-10-us-bull-bear.png?resize=525%2C168&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Bull-Bear Market Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"168\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Updates to three market indicators (highlighted in orange) are delayed because of the US government shutdown.<br \/>\nThe University of Michigan consumer survey reports the 3-month average of current economic conditions declined to a low 61.0 points, warning of a recession.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-10-10-uom-conditions.png?resize=525%2C366&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"University of Michigan: Current Economic Conditions\" width=\"525\" height=\"366\" \/><\/p>\n<p>However, the S&amp;P 500 remains elevated, and the Chicago Fed National Index of Financial Conditions was a low -0.546 on October 3, indicating a resilient economy with strong liquidity.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-10-10-nfci.png?resize=525%2C372&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Chicago Fed National Financial Conditions Index\" width=\"525\" height=\"372\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Stock Pricing<\/h2>\n<p>Stock pricing eased to 98.26 percent, compared to a high of 98.56 percent last week, and an April low of 95.04 percent. The extreme reading warns that stocks are at long-term risk of a significant drawdown.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-10-10-us-stock-value.png?resize=525%2C292&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Stock Market Value Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"292\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"background: #eef; padding: 0.25em;\">We use z-scores to measure each indicator&#8217;s current position relative to its history, with the result expressed in standard deviations from the mean. We then calculate an average for the five readings and convert that to a percentile. The higher that stock market pricing is relative to its historical mean, the greater the risk of a sharp drawdown.<\/p>\n<p>The S&amp;P 500 rose to a new record of 3.33 times sales in September, compared to a long-term average of 1.8 times.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-10-10-spx-sales.png?resize=525%2C344&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"S&amp;P 500 Price-to-Sales\" width=\"525\" height=\"344\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p>The bull-bear indicator at 40% warns of a bear market ahead, while extreme pricing increases the long-term risk of a significant drawdown.<\/p>\n<h4>Acknowledgments<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>Prof. Robert Shiller: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.econ.yale.edu\/~shiller\/data.htm\">CAPE 10 Data<\/a><\/li>\n<li>S&amp;P Global: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.spglobal.com\/spdji\/en\/indices\/equity\/sp-500\/#overview\">S&amp;P 500 Sales and Earnings Estimates<\/a><\/li>\n<li>University of Michigan: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sca.isr.umich.edu\/charts.html\">Survey of Consumers<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Federal Reserve of St Louis: <a href=\" https:\/\/fred.stlouisfed.org\/\">FRED Data<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Bureau for Economic Analysis: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bea.gov\/data\/gdp\/gross-domestic-product#collapse86\">Motor Vehicles Data<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4>Notes<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>See <a href=\"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/managing-risk\/\">Managing Risk<\/a> to learn more.<\/li>\n<li>See <a href=\"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/bull-bear-market-indicator-september-26-2024\/\">Bull-Bear<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/stock-market-valuation-september-25-2024\/\">Stock Valuation<\/a> for more on our composite market indicators.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The gauge on the left indicates bull or bear market status, and the one on the right reflects stock market valuation levels. Stock market pricing indicates whether stocks are cheap or expensive relative to earnings, but it is a poor indicator of market timing. We do not recommend selling stocks because the market valuation is &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/2025\/10\/11\/us-stock-pricing-remains-elevated\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;US Stock Pricing Remains Elevated&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mo_disable_npp":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[34],"tags":[6681,6622,5703,6702,6670],"class_list":["post-62604","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-us-canada-countries-regions","tag-bull-bear-market-indicator","tag-chicago-fed-national-financial-conditions-index","tag-sp-500-price-to-sales","tag-stock-market-pricing-indicator","tag-university-of-michigan-current-economic-conditions"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>US Stock Pricing Remains Elevated - the patient investor<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, follow\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"US Stock Pricing Remains Elevated - the patient investor\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"The gauge on the left indicates bull or bear market status, and the one on the right reflects stock market valuation levels. 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