{"id":62473,"date":"2025-09-20T06:02:28","date_gmt":"2025-09-20T06:02:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/?p=62473"},"modified":"2025-09-20T06:02:28","modified_gmt":"2025-09-20T06:02:28","slug":"asx-stock-pricing-still-extreme","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/2025\/09\/20\/asx-stock-pricing-still-extreme\/","title":{"rendered":"ASX Stock Pricing still Extreme"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fleximage\">\n<div class=\"flexhalf flexhalf_always\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-09-12-asx-bull-bear-gauge.png?resize=525%2C297&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Bull-Bear Market Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"297\" \/><\/div>\n<div class=\"flexhalf flexhalf_always\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-09-19-asx-stock-value-gauge.png?resize=525%2C297&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Stock Market Pricing Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"297\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>The gauge on the left indicates bull or bear market status, while the gauge on the right reflects stock market valuation. Stock market pricing indicates whether stocks are cheap or expensive relative to earnings, but it is a <strong>poor indicator of market timing<\/strong>. We do not recommend selling stocks because the market valuation is high, but we would advise investors to be circumspect about adding new positions without careful investigation of the underlying value.<\/p>\n<h2>Bull\/Bear Market<\/h2>\n<p>The ASX Bull-Bear Market indicator remains at 66%, compared to 56% two weeks ago, signaling a mild bull market.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-09-19-asx-bull-bear.png?resize=525%2C219&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"ASX Bull-Bear Market Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"219\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Five of six indicators from Australia and China indicate risk-on, while the ASX 200 relative to Gold (in AUD) remains risk-off. The composite index includes a 40% weighting for the US Bull\/Bear indicator, which is also unchanged.<\/p>\n<p>The ASX 200 index has been in a bearish decline relative to gold (in Australian dollars) since December 2021.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-09-19-xjo-gold.png?resize=525%2C402&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"ASX 200 Index\/Gold in AUD\" width=\"525\" height=\"402\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Stock Pricing<\/h2>\n<p>ASX stock pricing retreated to 90.42 percent, compared to a high of 92.23 percent five weeks ago and a low of 67.85 percent in April.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-09-19-asx-stock-value.png?resize=525%2C259&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"ASX Stock Market Value Indicator\" width=\"525\" height=\"259\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"background: #eef; padding: 0.25em;\">We use z-scores to measure each indicator&#8217;s current position relative to its history, with the result expressed in standard deviations from the mean. We then calculate an average for the five readings and convert that to a percentile. The higher that stock market pricing is relative to its historical mean, the greater the risk of a sharp drawdown.<\/p>\n<p>The 20% trimmed mean of ASX 20 forward price-earnings ratios has climbed to an extreme 23.15.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2025\/2025-09-19-asx20-fpe.png?resize=477%2C281&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"20% Trimmed Mean of ASX 20 Forward PE's\" width=\"477\" height=\"281\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p>The ASX bull-bear indicator signals a mild bull market. However, extreme valuations increase the long-term risk of a significant drawdown.<\/p>\n<h4>Acknowledgments<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>NAB Monthly Business Survey: <a href=\"https:\/\/business.nab.com.au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/NAB-Monthly-Business-Survey-April-2025-.pdf\">April 2025<\/a><\/li>\n<li>ABS: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.abs.gov.au\/statistics\/industry\/building-and-construction\/building-approvals-australia\/latest-release\">Private Dwelling Approvals<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Trading Economics: <a href=\"https:\/\/tradingeconomics.com\/china\/business-confidence\">China Business Indicators<\/a><\/li>\n<li>OECD: <a href=\"https:\/\/data-explorer.oecd.org\/vis?lc=en&amp;pg=0&amp;snb=1&amp;vw=tl&amp;df[ds]=dsDisseminateFinalDMZ&amp;df[id]=DSD_STES%40DF_CLI&amp;df[ag]=OECD.SDD.STES&amp;df[vs]=&amp;dq=CHN.M.LI...AA.IX..&amp;to[TIME_PERIOD]=false&amp;lom=LASTNPERIODS&amp;lo=300\">Composite Leading Indicators<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Morningstar: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.morningstar.com.au\/investments\/security\/index\/xao\/portfolio\">ASX 20 Statistics<\/a><\/li>\n<li>S&amp;P Global Indices: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.spglobal.com\/spdji\/en\/indices\/equity\/all-ordinaries\/#overview\">All Ordinaries Statistics<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Market Index: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marketindex.com.au\/statistics\">ASX Statistics<\/a><\/li>\n<li>ABS: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.abs.gov.au\/statistics\/economy\/national-accounts\/australian-national-accounts-national-income-expenditure-and-product\/latest-release\">National Accounts<\/a><\/li>\n<li>ASX: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.asx.com.au\/about\/market-statistics\/historical-market-statistics\">Historical Market Statistics<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The gauge on the left indicates bull or bear market status, while the gauge on the right reflects stock market valuation. Stock market pricing indicates whether stocks are cheap or expensive relative to earnings, but it is a poor indicator of market timing. We do not recommend selling stocks because the market valuation is high, &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/2025\/09\/20\/asx-stock-pricing-still-extreme\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;ASX Stock Pricing still Extreme&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mo_disable_npp":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[40],"tags":[6990,6786,6797,6798],"class_list":["post-62473","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-australia-nz-countries-regions","tag-20-trimmed-mean-of-asx-20-forward-pes","tag-asx-200-index-gold-in-aud","tag-asx-bull-bear-market-indicator","tag-asx-stock-market-value-indicator"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>ASX Stock Pricing still Extreme - the patient investor<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, follow\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"ASX Stock Pricing still Extreme - the patient investor\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"The gauge on the left indicates bull or bear market status, while the gauge on the right reflects stock market valuation. 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