{"id":5995,"date":"2012-11-04T14:50:53","date_gmt":"2012-11-04T19:50:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/goldstocksforex.com\/?p=5995"},"modified":"2012-11-04T14:50:53","modified_gmt":"2012-11-04T19:50:53","slug":"on-investment-time-horizons-seeking-alpha","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/2012\/11\/04\/on-investment-time-horizons-seeking-alpha\/","title":{"rendered":"On Investment Time Horizons &#8211; Seeking Alpha"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>David Merkel observes that Shiller&#8217;s CAPE10 ratio and Tobin&#8217;s Q-ratio both &#8220;indicate that stocks are not likely to return a lot over the next 10 years&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.multpl.com\/shiller-pe\/\" title=\"Shiller PE Ratio\" target=\"_blank\">CAPE10 ratio<\/a> is a long-term, smoothed PE-ratio first popularized by Yale Professor Robert Shiller in his book Irrational Exuberance. CAPE10 compares the current S&amp;P 500 index value to the average of the last 10-years annual earnings. James Tobin&#8217;s Q-ratio compares current price to net worth (total company assets minus liabilities).<\/p>\n<p>Merkel points out, however, that &#8220;the same is true of most high-quality bond investments &#8230;. and high-yield investments when expected losses are netted out&#8230;..I am not crazy about buying bonds here. The risk-reward is awkward, but the same is true of stocks.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Bottom line is investors are being starved of yield by the Fed&#8217;s Twist and QE3 operations. Investors may be forced to take on additional risk in order to boost yields, but that could end in disaster, with capital losses if yields rise or earnings fall. Where possible, the safest strategy would be to tighten your belt and sit this out.<\/p>\n<p>via <a href='http:\/\/seekingalpha.com\/article\/976481-on-investment-time-horizons?source=email_authors_alerts&#038;ifp=0'>On Investment Time Horizons &#8211; Seeking Alpha<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>David Merkel observes that Shiller&#8217;s CAPE10 ratio and Tobin&#8217;s Q-ratio both &#8220;indicate that stocks are not likely to return a lot over the next 10 years&#8221;. The CAPE10 ratio is a long-term, smoothed PE-ratio first popularized by Yale Professor Robert Shiller in his book Irrational Exuberance. 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