{"id":45076,"date":"2023-11-01T00:54:55","date_gmt":"2023-11-01T00:54:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/?p=45076"},"modified":"2023-11-30T01:51:46","modified_gmt":"2023-11-30T01:51:46","slug":"debt-reduction-buybacks-and-sp-500-p-e-multiples","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/2023\/11\/01\/debt-reduction-buybacks-and-sp-500-p-e-multiples\/","title":{"rendered":"Debt reduction, buybacks and S&#038;P 500 P\/E multiples"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There is a rising trend &#8212; especially in the telecommunications, utilities, and REITs sectors &#8212; of selling off non-core assets and using the proceeds to reduce debt. Rising long-term interest rates are likely to accelerate this trend.<\/p>\n<p>Debt reduction reduces funds available for stock buybacks. This chart from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.spglobal.com\/spdji\/en\/documents\/additional-material\/sp-500-buyback.xlsx\">S&amp;P Dow Jones Indices<\/a> shows buybacks on the S&amp;P 500 have been declining since Q2 of last year.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2023\/2023-10-31-spx-buybacks.png?resize=525%2C254&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"S&amp;P 500 Buybacks\" width=\"525\" height=\"254\" \/><\/p>\n<p><a id=\"clickthrough\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Without buybacks, S&amp;P 500 earnings growth is expected to follow declining year-on-year sales growth, removing the justification for high earnings multiples.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2023\/2023-10-31-spx-salesgrowth.png?resize=525%2C344&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"S&amp;P 500 Sales Growth\" width=\"525\" height=\"344\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Price-earnings multiple for the S&amp;P 500 is expected to decline towards its 50-year average of 16.4.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/images\/2023\/2023-10-31-spx-pemax.png?resize=525%2C382&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"S&amp;P 500 Price\/Highest Trailing Earnings\" width=\"525\" height=\"382\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p>Debt reduction is likely to accelerate the decline of stock buybacks, eroding support for elevated price-earnings multiples.<\/p>\n<p>Declining sales growth is likely to reduce earnings growth and further erode the justification for high earnings multiples.<\/p>\n<p>The price-earnings multiple for the S&amp;P 500 is expected to decline towards its 50-year average of 16.4 (based on highest trailing earnings).<\/p>\n<h4>Acknowledgements<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>Eric Cinnamond at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.palmvalleycapital.com\/post\/soft-serving-a-hard-landing\">Palm Valley Capital<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"content_block\" id=\"custom_post_widget-44827\"><p><!-- AD START --><\/p>\n<div id=\"pi-ad\">\n<div id=\"pi-ad-hd\">Save 50% on an Annual Subscription.<\/div>\n<div id=\"pi-ad-content\">\n<div id=\"pi-ad-logo\" align=\"center\">\n<div><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/pan\/images\/patient-investor\/patient-investor-logo-2020-10-17.jpg?w=525&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<div>the patient investor<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"pi-ad-offer\" align=\"center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/subscribe\/special-offer-market-analysis-3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"\">Colin Twiggs\u2019 newsletter offers weekly coverage of financial markets and the economy \u2013 including macro trends, key sectors, energy and precious metals.<\/span><span style=\"\">Save&nbsp;50% on a new annual subscription to Market Analysis (normal price: $195 AUD or $145 USD). <span style=\"\">This subscription may be tax deductible &#8211; ask your accountant.<\/span> <\/span><span id=\"pi-ad-button\">Save Now &gt;<\/span><span style=\"\"><span style=\"white-space:nowrap;\">Offer valid until<\/span> midnight <span style=\"white-space:nowrap;\">September 15, 2025<\/span>. <span style=\"white-space:nowrap;\">New subscribers only.<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><!-- AD END --><\/p>\n<p><!--\nGeneral Ad:\n\n\n<div id=\"pi-ad-hd\">This may be the best investment you make this year.<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div id=\"pi-ad-content\">\n\n\n<div id=\"pi-ad-logo\" align=\"center\">\n\n\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.incrediblecharts.com\/pan\/images\/patient-investor\/patient-investor-logo-2020-10-17.jpg\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div>the patient investor<\/div>\n\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div id=\"pi-ad-offer\" align=\"center\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/thepatientinvestor.com\/index.php\/subscribe\/special-offer-market-analysis\/\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"\">Market Analysis newsletter offers weekly coverage of financial markets and the economy \u2013\u00a0including macro trends, key sectors, energy and precious metals.<\/span><span style=\"\">Take advantage of our <u>$1 special<\/u>. 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